I think your wife's experience is universal and is why
online courses should be treated as the "mail order"
or "correspondence" courses of our time, not as actual
university courses.
It is unfortunate that universities have been
hoodwinked by fancy salesmen to think of "distance-ed"
as something other than "correspondence."
Keith
- Harold Federow <HaroldF[_at_]bsquare.com> wrote:
> And, viewing from the standpoint of the student, it
> is inferior. My wife
> took an online course in physical geology. While
> she got an A, my feeling
> was that she, as well as the rest of the students,
> would have been much
> better off in a classroom and learned a lot more.
>
> Harold Federow
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Tabor [mailto:ket354[_at_]yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 5:53 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: RE: Distance Learning and Copyright
>
>
> I was just going to say that most prestigious
> universities are going to find distance learning a
> lose-lose situation. Any researcher in education can
> tell you that online ed is less efficient.
> Furthermore, large universities going into distance
> ed
> are only going to lend credibility to the mail-in
> universities that have the stronghold on distance ed
> at this point. I think the technology salesmen have
> scared the universities into thinking they have to
> provide distance-ed. If the US post office had
> employed the same sales techniques before the
> internet
> boom it would have saved me several years of
> studying.
>
> But that all seems so moot in view of our "rights".
>
> Keith
>
> --- sstouden[_at_]thelinks.com wrote:
> > Sterling again.
> > I have been on the internet since 1988. In
> 1992
> > I opened an internet
> > service company (ISP) because to me, for the first
> > time, I had been
> > handed a master pass key which would entitle me to
> > hearthe voices of the
> > world and to the experience the knowlege and
> wisdom
> > which the state locks
> > up in its university departments and government
> > secrets departments.
> >
> > On the net were course in nuclear physics,
> math,
> > chemistry, law, and
> > pictures of experiments being done as well as
> > descriptions of how they
> > worked. I have a degree or two in science, but I
> > learned more and saw
> > more on the net during the years 1992 to 1996 than
> I
> > learned or even
> > thought possible in 6 years of college courses and
> > laboratory courses at
> > a you can learn if you pay school.
> >
> > finally, I did not have to pay $80 to one of
> the
> > book publishers to be
> > able to learn about the new stuff on the
> Elementary
> > particles only to
> > discover it was already two years old. One the
> net,
> > then, I could
> > keep as up to date as if I were an employee at a
> > government lab or an
> > instructor in one the fortunate facilities to have
> > the equipment to be
> > able to do the work. But then along came the
> > copyright and patent
> > attorneys, the lobbiest, and the freedom
> squelching
> > congress writing laws
> > that this or that on the net were against this or
> > that law or this or that
> > rule or whatever.
> >
> > Next came the lawsuits, first it was antisex,
> > then antispan, then it
> > was the big guys realizing that the domain names
> > little people had were
> > names the wanted so they turned to government and
> > out of that amount many
> > other things sprang ICANN. Holy gumolly, we went
> > from a free get your
> > domain name on a system that was free widely open
> > and an information
> > freeques paradise to a highly controlled,
> regulated
> > envinroment where
> > every damn non human in the world claimed the
> right
> > to prevent every
> > human from doing anything on the net unless the
> > human was first authorzied
> > by the government, allowed by law, and willing to
> > pay by the bit.
> >
> > I want to the lawmakers to hear this, I want
> them
> > to understand, our
> > laws need the approval of the people, this is one
> > person who does not give
> > his approval to any law that attempts to capture,
> > privatize, or regulate
> > the flow of creativity, orginality, Knowledge,
> > information and
> > technology.
> > I want naspter back, and I want all of the people
> > that had anything to do
> > with stopping them to be made to chew brown dead
> > grass for eternity. i
> > want the open university, open all the way to the
> > laboratory and the class
> > room, without gating or anything. It is an
> > opportunty for a college
> > professor to become an international star, to
> > transition a large
> > portion of our society from entertainment to
> > learning. Instead of the
> > story of three dumb bears inbetween ads from
> > artichoks to condoms, we have
> > the uninterrupted story of the force carriers and
> > the star of the show,
> > Dr. Bold, PHD, MD, LLB, ABA, BAF,FAD {basically a
> > genius}and winner of 50
> > novel prizes, creator of the lighter than air
> > machine, creator of the roof
> > top power generator that heats, cools and lights
> > ones house, and the set
> > will be his classroom and time is class time, or
> we
> > have at
> > http://www.somthing Dr. Notsobold, who will in
> this
> > hour demostrate just
> > how easy it is to clone a gene.
> >
> >
> > Humans are demanding this freedom on the net. It
> > will make the past time
> > of many Americans be to study a course(or selected
> > parts thereof) that
> > reside on a server in the laboratory of Dr.
> whomever
> > at say the University
> > of best knowledge. The class notes, the recorded
> > lecture, laboratory
> > demonstrations, practice aids and tutorials should
> > all be open to all,
> > whether or not one is a paid or matriculated
> > student. These courses were
> > created with government funds, at a state
> supported
> > school, that means
> > they are public.
> >
> > I believe the next big war in the world is
> going
> > to be the people
> > (human people) against the non humans and it will
> be
> > for access to
> > information and the removal of laws that allow
> > anyone to capture a human
> > mind product and make money from it or to use it
> as
> > a source of power.
> > Information is created by humans, it is a part of
> > humanity, and it is the
> > right of humans, wherever in the world they are,
> to
> > have free ungated
> > access to any knowledge, information or technology
> > that other humans in
> > the same world have created. Moreover, that
> > knowledge to be useful must be
> > all knowledge created up to and including the
> > present moment.
> >
> > These non humans have caused government to
> sequester
> > for them the products
> > of the human mind and to package them into little
>
> > human mind
> > packets. As an added bonus, these non humans have
> > extracted from a
>
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