I agree with you--federalism is a structural constraint built into the
commerce clause. It limits the State police power--the states have an
interest in pushing back lest they become completely subservient to the
federal government. (FWIW, I agree that the sovereign immunity
decisions--particularly the recent 11th Amendment penumbra that the
Court created--are, er, slightly loony. Even some pretty prominent
conservative jurists think so--Judge Noonan in the Ninth Cir. just wrote
a pretty good book taking those decisions apart. The court's belief in
this structural limitation, right or wrong, is genuine).
The states have no sovereign interest in the term of copyright
protection--the constitution _structurally_ (and textually) takes it
away from them. Federalism is irrelevant. Put another way, what
cognizable, structural interest is the court defending by striking down
the CTEA? The political considerations are recognized in numerous
doctrines, such as Younger abstention, or political question, or the
case or controversy requirement of Article III--and they were around
long before the current CJ and his gang of four.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-cni-copyright[_at_]cni.org [mailto:owner-cni-copyright[_at_]cni.org]
On Behalf Of Chris Sprigman
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:58 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: RE: More Re: ELDRED
The federalism defense -- i.e., the argument that the
Commerce Clause decisions make sense because they were
animated by federalism concerns and Eldred makes sense
because it wasn't -- doesn't work. Federalism is a
structural element of the constitution. The "limited
Times" and "promote . . . Progress" constraints in the
Copyright Clause are textual constraints on Congress's
power. Why would the Court take an active role in
delimiting Congress's commerce power, on the basis of
a structural concern, but leave to Congress the task
of defining the scope of its Copyright Clause power,
despite the presence of textual constraints (i.e., the
kind of constraints that courts are best suited to
interpret)?
One explanation is that the Court's conservative
majority is result-oriented. The other explanation is
.. . .?
- Chris Mohr <chrismohr[_at_]sprintmail.com> wrote:
> If that was the point of the article, then, though I
> almost never agree
> with Tyler ;), but on this one he's right. The cases
> where the court
> strikes down statutes involve a triangulation
> between two countervailing
> interests, with the Court in the middle. First,
> there are the decisions
> where the Federal government imposes on the power of
> the states (Lopez,
> Morrison, and College Savings). Second, there are
> cases where the state
> (or feds) crib the rights of the individual. The
> third involves
> separation of powers--where, for example, Congress
> impermissibly
> delegates judicial power to a federal agency.
>
> None of those concerns were present in this case,
> despite petitioners'
> attempts to portray them as implicated. The court is
> definitely activist
> in the states' rights area, but those interests
> weren't implicated here.
> The C Clause is entirely federal; the states
> generally have no
> 'interest' at stake in the constitutionality of
> federal copyright
> legislation. The commerce clause cases are therefore
> irrelevant; this is
> more analogous to a challenge to a taxation statute
> as not being for the
> general welfare. (Petitioners effectively conceded
> their individual
> rights argument by failing to articulate a First
> Amendment rationale
> outside of their copyright clause challenge.). I'm
> sure Ginsburg gladly
> put in the language about the Boerne test into the
> opinion, but that's
> because it limited that test to the states' rights
> area--where it
> belongs (if it belongs anywhere).
>
> The decision struck me as neither wrong, surprising,
> nor inconsistent
> with prior precedent. Lots of folks don't like it,
> but I think it's
> incorrect to characterize it as an aberration.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-cni-copyright[_at_]cni.org
> [mailto:owner-cni-copyright[_at_]cni.org]
> On Behalf Of Chris Sprigman
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 6:03 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: More Re: ELDRED
>
> Tyler: When the conservative majority veers back and
> forth between tight constraints on Congress's
> enumerated powers (Lopez and Morrison in the
> Commerce
> Clause context) and virtually no constraint (Eldred,
> in the Copyright Clause context) it matters little
> whether Eldred, standing alone, is an activist
> opinion. It is activist in context because its
> reasoning is inconsistent with the closely
> comparable
> Commerce Clause cases, thus leading to the
> impression
> that the conservative majority is result-driven.
>
> That was the point of the article, and I think it
> stands. At the very least, if the conservative
> majority was concerned about appearances and had an
> argument for distinguishing between proper judicial
> analysis of Congress's exercise of its enumerated
> powers in the Commerce Clause and Copyright Clause
> contexts, it could have offered it. That the
> conservatives did not, and that they allowed Justice
> Ginsburg (who has never adhered to the
> Lopez/Morrison
> line) to write for them, speaks volumes.
>
> Best regards.
>
> -- Chris Sprigman
> --- Tyler Ochoa <tochoa[_at_]law.whittier.edu> wrote:
> > >>> sprigman1[_at_]yahoo.com 01/22/03 08:00AM >>>
> > In any event, whether or not the CTEA is bad
> policy,
> > I believe that the
> > Supreme Court's opinion in Eldred is bad legal
> > reasoning and a worrying
> > example of conservative judicial activism. See
> >
>
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20030120_sprigman.html
> >
> > <<<<<
> >
> > I have already expressed my opinion about the
> > Court's legal reasoning,
> > and I agree with many of the criticisms of the
> > opinion in your piece. I
> > also agree that there are many worrying examples
> of
> > conservative
> > judicial activism from the current Court.
> However,
> > Eldred is not one of
> > them. Eldred may be conservative in its outcome
> [it
> > favors the
> > wealthy], but it is decidedly NOT activist in its
> > reasoning. Its
> > reasoning is the epitome of true conservative
> legal
> > reasoning: deference
> > to legislative authority.
> >
> > Instead, the worrying examples of conservative
> > judicial activism from
> > the current court have to do with the frequency
> with
> > which it overturns
> > legislation and precedent with which it disagrees.
>
> > But in Eldred, they
> > upheld legislation against a Constitutional
> > challenge, and they did not
> > overturn any established judicial precedent in
> doing
> > so. [They didn't
> > respect the policy of Graham v. Deere as much as I
> > would have liked, but
> > I can't say that was activism.] Indeed, Stevens'
> > dissent, which would
> > have overturned several 19th Century term
> extension
> > decisions [albeit
> > those of lower courts], could well be considered
> > more activist than the
> > majority's.
> >
> > I also agree that the justices sometimes act in a
> > result-oriented
> > manner, but I do not believe the justices acted in
> a
> > result-oriented
> > manner in Eldred. O'Connor made that clear at the
> > oral argument. She
> > said this was clearly NOT what the Framers had in
> > mind, but that didn't
> > necessarily make it unconstitutional. I think
> > Souter and Kennedy felt
> > the same way. I think that if the nine justices
> had
> > been voting as a
> > legislature (but without lobbying and campaign
> > contributions) they might
> > very well have rejected the CTEA. Instead, the
> > majority [or at least
> > some] truly believed that this was a decision for
> > Congress, not the
> > Court. I'm disappointed with the decision, but
> this
> > is not a case in
> > which I question their motivation.
> >
> > Tyler T. Ochoa
> > Professor and Co-Director
> > Center for Intellectual Property Law
> > Whittier Law School
> > 3333 Harbor Blvd.
> > Costa Mesa, CA 92626
> > (714) 444-4141, ext. 243
> > (714) 444-1854 (fax)
> > tochoa[_at_]law.whittier.edu
> >
>
>
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