Re: Re: Contrary to Morality - What is that?

From: Janet Nepkie <nepkiej[_at_]oneonta.edu>
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:25:15 -0400


It would be most helpful if Mr. SkinnerLopata would direct me to the NY State statutes regarding moral rights. And I'd also like to know how those state statutes relate to federal copyright law. Thanks
Janet Nepkie

> From: Andrew SkinnerLopata <asl[_at_]callatg.com>
> Reply-To: CNI-COPYRIGHT -- Copyright & Intellectual Property
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> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:00:55 -0400
> To: CNI-COPYRIGHT -- Copyright & Intellectual Property <CNI-COPYRIGHT[_at_]cni.org>
> Subject: [CNI-(C)]  Re: Contrary to Morality - What is that?
> 
> I'm not familiar with the moral rights provisions in Australian law, but
> the U.S. has the federal Visual Artists Rights Act (VAWA), and certain
> states (including New York and California) have moral rights statutes.
> VAWA only covers certain types of visual art.  The rights are very
> similar to what Mr. Schulze describes from Australian law.  VAWA rights
> cannot be transferred, only waived - they are personal to the artist.  A
> transfer or waiver of copyright rights is *not* a waiver of VAWA rights.
> 
> -Andy SkinnerLopata
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> 
> Howard Schulze wrote:
> 
>> Australia has recently adopted this concept of "moral rights" as
>> well. It is not a control as such of exploitation but rather a right
>> to enable an artist for the life of the author only to control
>> integrity of a work eg the right to have the authors identity to be
>> shown on the work, the right to object to alteration of the work and
>> the right to object to association of the work with others. This is
>> entirely distinguished from economic rights which can be dealt with
>> as with conventional IP rights.
>> We are only now getting used to this concept. It is also very
>> difficult for the moral rights to be contracted away.
>> Howard Schulze
>> On 05/10/2005, at 6:30 AM, JFN wrote:
>> 
>>> It would seem a loose translation of "droit morale" -- the broader
>>> rights accorded artists and authors under some European laws to
>>> control the exploitation of their works. It comes, I think, from  the
>>> view that intellectual property ownership and control is a  natural
>>> right -- a view that is at odds with the American approach,  which
>>> views it as a statutory grant.
>>> 
>>> John Noble
>>> 
>>> At 4:45 PM -0400 10/3/05, S. Martin Keleti wrote:
>>> 

>>>> At 11:50 AM 10/3/2005, josephpietrojeungriolo[_at_]gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I encountered a statement in license that I do not fully
>>>>> understand and I am turning to this discussion forum for help in
>>>>> interpreting the statement. As a gift, my wife gave me  Chessmaster
>>>>> 10th Edition. After long procrastination, I finally  decided to
>>>>> install it in my PC.  As the installation was  proceeding, the
>>>>> license was presented to me. Because I was going  to use the
>>>>> software for my other project, I had to read license  very
>>>>> carefully. The portion that stopped me from continuing the
>>>>> installation is this:      It is not permitted:           - To
>>>>> make copies Š - To operate Š           - To use it contrary to
>>>>> morality or the laws in force,           - To modify Š            -
>>>>> To transmit Š - To create Š.           - To decompile, reverse
>>>>> engineer or disassemble Š Exactly what does "contrary to  morality"
>>>>> mean?  I searched Internet and found some references on  it.  But,
>>>>> all of them are related to patent.  I could not find  anything
>>>>> relating to the use of software. So, I sent a question  on the
>>>>> meaning of "contrary to morality" to Ubi Soft's on-line  support.
>>>>> (Ubi Soft is the manufacturer of Chessmaster 10th  Edition.)  After
>>>>> hearing nothing from the on-line support for one  or two weeks, I
>>>>> decided to call Ubi Soft's support. I asked the  person who
>>>>> answered my call about the meaning of "contrary to  morality".  He
>>>>> put me on hold for a while (I did not time it but  I estimated that
>>>>> it was one or two minutes). He then explained to  me that it was a
>>>>> blanket statement to prevent people from  breaking any copyright
>>>>> laws.  I was tempted to ask him to  elaborate that but knowing that
>>>>> he was not expert in legal  language, I thanked him for his time
>>>>> and I hanged up phone. I  thought more about what he said.  If it
>>>>> is really that obvious  that "contrary to morality" means breaking
>>>>> any copyright laws,  why is this specific wording chosen over other
>>>>> wording?  Is this  an example where Ubi Soft went overboard and
>>>>> borrowed the  language from patent?  If "contrary to morality"
>>>>> actually is  applicable to Chessmaster, can anyone think of
>>>>> examples where  using Chessmaster is contrary to morality? Joseph
>>>>> Pietro Riolo  <josephpietrojeungriolo[_at_]gmail.com> <riolo[_at_]voicenet.com>
>>>>> 

>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My understanding of "contrary to morality" is that it is *broader*
>>>> than simply contrary to copyright laws. I've seen the term in
>>>> discussions of civil law jurisdictions (e.g., France, Germany,
>>>> Switzerland), often synonymously with "contrary to public policy."
>>>> I don't believe that it's limited to patent law, but that's just
>>>> the area in which you came across it; it can come up in the field
>>>> of contracts as well (for example, whether contracts relating to
>>>> gambling are enforceable ), and I believe that it comes up in the
>>>> area of free speech, too.
>>>>
>>>> Given that Ubisoft is headquartered in France (http://
>>>> www.ubisoftgroup.com/AboutUbisoft/Default.aspx?cpid=181), its use
>>>> of this term shouldn't be surprising. This kind of boilerplate
>>>> probably finds its way into many other types of legal documents,
>>>> whether or not any particular application is contemplated; but if
>>>> you should come up with a use of Chessmaster that is contrary to
>>>> morality, Ubisoft's covered. It may have other products that are
>>>> susceptible to such illegal uses, and it's just easier to leave
>>>> that clause in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> S. Martin Keleti
>>>> Cohen and Cohen
>>>> 740 North La Brea Avenue
>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90038-3339
>>>> 323.938.5000
>>>> 323.936.6354 fax
>>>>
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